Hi, Long time not update my blog since I’m busy on my real life activity. So this is for you, this is the support comment on equality (mostly Free The Nipple) that I get from people who post it on internet (even some of them have worth argument in it). I just give their nickname (since maybe they want privacy), and this is real from other people who support equality. I write like this: first [topic] then [nickname of that people] then [arguments that support equality or counter against double standard excused]. Hope this give you spirit to keep fighting for equality-you’re not alone, and this can be used for your argument too.
FREE THE NIPPLE
“In france, there are beaches where girls are completely topless, and little kids can run around naked and nothing ever happens to them. It’s completely a normal thing”
*(Me) The picture not necessarily from France but give you insight some Europe already have topless equality
On topless girl
“These children are NOT NUDE. They are topless. They are flat chested. There is no difference between these girls and boys their age. There is NOTHING to be ashamed of.”
“why??? Just because it’s on a girl? Noone would say shit if these were boys”
On topless ballet little girl train at Europe
“They don’t have to do ballet either. There are some people who would say that they shouldn’t dance in public at all, because men are watching and some men have dirty thoughts! ….There are some who think every girl should wear burkas whenever they are out in public because you can’t control the private thoughts of some perverted men!”
“People who think this video is controversial are the ones who look at the kids sexually. It’s completely normal for ten year old girls to be topless in Europe.”
*people who against us maybe never see some place of Europe-that free the nipple is possible 😉
On lust eye & sweet / diamond argument
“I doubt if you really get the point or not. You certainly shouldn’t compare women to any sort of objects, no matter that is a banana or a diamond.”
“And if women could be able to live in a healthy enough society, why they need to be afraid of freak’s lustful eyes.”
“then I guess maybe people just live in the parallel worlds. Some people live in a place that they don’t need to worry about other people’s lustful vision and some people live in a place that they need to cover up themselves to avoid insults. If you are talking about a cure, I suggest a proper education is the answer rather than covering up with clothes.”
On rape argument
“In some countries people walk around naked in certain regions. Apart from immigrants, they dont see it as an invitation to sex, but has accustomed to such conditions. Nobody, even immigrants, would just walk up to a woman and gangbang her in public in front of other people. And Rape also happens to the girls who wear clothes, not only the nude ones. It all depends on culture and ones moral codes.”
Free the dick??
“A penis is a sexual organ and in a completely different category. The only things that differentiates female nipples from males are that they are larger and lactate, along with them being sexualized in western society. In many places, it is normal for women to walk around topless alongside topless men. We in America don’t seem to understand that the stigma came from them being covered by bras, which are really only to help women carry their breast.”
“Yeah, well let a man merely enter a women’s restroom where such women do their business behind LOCKED doors and he’s instantly labeled a pervert. Yet a woman can walk into the men’s room where there are not even doors, let alone locked, and everything’s hunky dory….”
*So make female version of urinal too for equality or both sexes behind door pee
Somebody support me-a little bit Lol (although I’m doubt is she supporters of Ftn or not. This is funny to read-she still critique some dude who don’t understand my argument during ftn debate)
“This is many months later… but I guess the point the other guy, well by the way is name is 69 (interesting name for someone who wants women to be shameless about being topless, hmm) is not about the practicality of being topless but about the double standard of people making a taboo out of female nudity vs. male nudity. Frankly, I do agree that people should not make female nipples some kind of a morally should-not-be-seen part of the body, seriously everyone has them. no biggy. But that is not to say that as a woman, I would be happy to show them around everywhere for practical reasons you pointed out. Even if people treated male and female anatomy of chest/ breast the same, like toes or something, your argument is like saying, “would you wear a goddam sandals in winter? Toes freeze. oh no!” but what the 69 guy -___- is saying is that male toes and female toes should have the equal freedom to wear sandals whenever they desire. NOT about we should definitely wear sandals all season even if it’s freezing (which is essentially like the point you are making about sagginess). I hope you get the logical gap that you are creating. People are so illogical it makes me sad.”
*Do you enjoy it please let me know maybe I can make part 2 (by the way I have many imagination for this blog and equality but unfortunately I am busy on my real life too which make me couldn’t routinely update this blog)
Maryamnamazie mentioned FREETHENIPPLE A.K.A TOPLESS EQUALITY during speech 😀
We need more people like Maryamnamazie who have courage to stand up, talk, and counter the idea of shaming female body only, double standards & oppression towards women. The most important is equality for both gender.
If we silence, it will become more comfortable for people who dislike equality, to spread and maintenance their sexist idea. If it become normal, people in society will insensitive towards inequality and just follow it since it already become part of their culture where majority of people apply it, understand? if sexism is seen as normal it will take more effort and energy to fight than before.
Long Live Equality
IN ADDITION I WANT TO ADD THAT MUSLIM IDEOLOGY ALSO SEXIST TO BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, NOT JUST ONE SIDE LIKE MEDIA LIKE TO TELL
FIRST WOMEN HAVE NO RIGHTS TO WEAR WHAT THEY WANT AND MUST BELIEVE THEY ARE “BAD” IF THEY NOT FOLLOW MUSLIMAH DRESS CODE IN MUSLIM SOCIETY, EVEN SOME GET THREATEN BADLY BY THEIR SOCIETY & MEDIA, WHEREAS THE MEN ARE VERY FREE IN WHAT THEY WEAR (MEN DRESSCODE ARE VERY FREE). THIS IS DOUBLE STANDARD TOWARDS WOMEN
THEN IF MEN ARE “WRONG” IF SEEING WOMEN BODIES EVEN JUST A HAIR WHEREAS THE HIJAB WOMEN THAT I KNOW ARE VERY FREE IN SEEING MEN BODIES AT PUBLIC ( EX MEN USING UNDERWEAR ONLY AT BEACH – HIJAB FREE TO SEE IT BUT LOOSE SHIT IF MEN EVEN JUST SEE THEIR HAIR + SOME EVEN THINK THEY GET HARRASED OMG ! …VERY UNFAIR ). THIS IS SEXIST TOWARDS MEN TOO
MALE AND FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION BOTH ALSO NEED TO BE BANNED NOT JUST ONE SIDE TO BE FAIR.
The rest I personally agree with Greet Wilder, we need be aware of fanatic religious group AND DEFEND OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH! DON’T BE FOOLED BY NAIVE JOURNALIST THAT TELL U TO TOLERANCE THE INTOLERANCE! #LongLiveFreedomOfSpeech
She Actually Already Dressed Very Mannerly But Still Become A Big Deal In Muslim Country Whereas The Male Can Even Wear Underwear Only At Public (Beach), That’s Contrast Double Standard
Where’s The Logic In Iran:
Women Bad Hijab (Actually Dressed Properly Full Covered) >> Make Muslim Society Get Mad
If Women Don’t Wear Hijab ( But Still Dressed Mannerly) >> Make Muslim More Mad
If Women Dare To Show Cleveage At Public (Still Dressed In Manner) >> Make Muslim Very Angry & Maddd
If Women Dare To Wear Bra At Public (Hei Still Covered Private Part) >> Make Muslim Loose Their Shit + Punishment
But If Situation Reverse, Even If More Worse Men wearing Underwear Only At Public (Beach)(Show Nipple, No Jeans) >>> Muslim Respond FINE #SexismFound
That’s Why It’s Bad If We Just Keep Silent And Tolerated The Intolerance And Sexist Ideology..They Can Make A Big “Sexist” Deal Over A Ridiculous Reasons. See Here To Know How Great Propaganda is https://darknesspinokio.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/hejab-as-weapon-in-islamic-iran-mirror/
I Hope We’ll Not Silence, Have Courage To Said What We Think Before It Too Late #LongLiveFreedomOfSpeech
Raped is bad, I admit
But if some Muslim claim that USA are worst than Hijab society because of what women were wearing i disagree, Yeahh some Muslim fanatic will love to show statistic of how bad American women sexually assaulted by men
but don’t forget that statistic are biased because the methodology are made by hmm how must i say.. I don’t generalized all USA feminist but some radical feminist make a wrong statement about rape in USA that went to mainstream.
This above video are the prove
Okay folks i just watch a youtube video that are spread from pro muslim about why women must dress modestly & the tittle is “Dressing modestly & the Jinn” from Dawah man that forcing his mindset on street. I will just go to the point about this dawah that I saw sexist, unfair, overdose perception and deluded also. I don’t want to make muslim angry but i must talk & i don’t want to ignored this issues.
In that youtube video this dawah man-imran give out some point why women must “covered” modestly, Here some of muslim reason (italic) that i disagree:
Men will rape women for dress revealing, we must see the context this kind of statement cannot be generalized to all condition for example like in that video the three women are in crowd public place also that kind of dress are normal at West so for me personally its okay to dress like that i found it too judgmental that even in crowd like mall or restaurant female must full covered because she can get rape at mall or restaurant where many crowd people there…nonsense.
Also don’t forget about culture, if society construct all women must fully covered like in muslim country (sexualize it) so it will seen as “make sense” men rape because of miniskirt, showing leg even just hair. On the other hand in Europe the possibility of ‘men can’t control their sexual desire and rape just because of seeing belly or leg’ issssss ZERO percent. Remember the more society sexualize women body the more men will seen that as object! Keep that in mind.
It’s also to narrow minded to think the only answer to free from rape to be more, more and more covered, does hijab women never get rape? Or the percentage are very small? I don’t think so.
Add note there’s modern or tribe society where men and women topless at public and that’s seem as normal by society (less sexual harassment there -from women that live there), TEACH THEM AS NORMAL & EQUALTHE POSSIBILITY TO GET RAPE BECAUSE OF TOPLESS WILL DECREASE & TEACH SOCIETY THAT WOMEN BODY ARE SEXUAL THE POSSIBILITY TO GET RAPE JUST BECAUSE REVEALING CLEVEAGE, LEG, EVEN HAIR OR BREASTFEEDING WILL HAPPEN.
Men objectified women and make women to thing they are free but actually we as male objectified women for money, LOL the reason this dawahman claim like that is because he himself live in muslim society and get doctrined from muslim point of view, its a CULTURE and cannot be same!
And sexist too to claim that West society make money by objectifying women body there’s many reverse situation too in West society where men body use to make money you can see Men Journal Tabloid, Rolling Stone, Mr Bean where men exposed their body for MONEY-addressed this too.
Men degraded women by seeing women body, BAH we are equal if you want to claim like this it must goes both way, you religious people cannot claim it’s degrading if one gender exposed but okey if another gender exposed, religious people always forcing sexist mindset like this. Then they say men can’t get raped WHAT’S the correlation? Even without get raped or harassment you (muslim/religious) still claim it degrade for women revealing her body but okey if situation reverse? that’s sexist.
Also muslim society and asia society apply very contrast standard between men and women, example men pee at public like exhibitionist everywhere and everytime in my muslim society >> completely find, women show cleveage >> society never ending complaining. This double standard piss me off.
Oh i make JINN OUT from his body, LOL in modern society still believe in that?
I don’t want to disturb they can go on with they believe…BUT keep your own bussiness religious people you always forcing your mindset then get mad if situation reverse, muslim and other religion want society to follow their rule their view, i’m atheist i must not follow your rule so I WILL NOT QUIET atleast on this internet…
That’s all for this article if you agree with me please Retweet, Reblog it so this awareness can spread thanks for reading.
Credit to all who make this LIMITED video
If you watch, We can see from different angels of how inequality exists in this world by switching the gender role PERFECTLY! include topless women, pee in public & blame that ‘men’ for wear dressed inappropriately (btw i’m humanist and NDS-No to Double Standard).
So why we difficult to realize sexism, if the gender role are back normal? it is because we all already confirm with majority of people believe, we had been taught from we are kid that this kind of sexism are “normal” or “true”-which is not & We become ignorant about this sexism and follow it because it already become a system also usually we will get ridicule if we bring up this issues.
I can’t forced what i believe but i have rights to said what i think with my argument, because the opposed view itself are always propaganda their view to society especially my society.
So i must at least raised the awareness so that it will not easily control by the opposed view (religious / sexist view).
Thanks again for this France people who dare to make this WORTHY video. #ToplessEquality #NoDoubleStandard
i’m not own this article. Credits to Georgia Platts, a Ph.D. from UCLA in sociology and the author of BroadBlogs.
Some friends were discussing the “Slut Walks” that keep popping up, and someone asked whether provocative clothing ever plays a role in rape. Interesting that “provocative” is used to describe a style of dress, suggesting that clothes actually provoke something. Attention? Desire? Rape?
Women don’t cause rape by what they wear. Asking about correlation between clothing and rape is tricky, though.
To make clear, sexual assault is never the victim’s fault. Someone has to act to commit rape. No one forces that choice. If seeing an enticing woman led men to conclude, “I’ve got to rape her,” all men would be rapists. Yet few are.
And plenty of assaulted women are not dressed sexily, including women draped in head-to-toe burqas. Interestingly, veiled women are blamed, too: “He must have seen a bit of her ankle, wrist, hair, neck… Who could resist!?”
Strippers are the most sexually “provocative” of all, yet patrons manage to contain themselves. Yes, bouncers provide security, but they aren’t stationed with blinders blocking their sight. And who’s watching them? Male customers aren’t physically restrained. The men are actually controlling themselves.
Sociologists who have interviewed rapists, read their accounts and looked at the circumstances of their crimes have learned that they have a variety of motives. Here are a few:
Some rape to feel powerful, others gang rape to demonstrate their “manhood” (defined as powerful, dominant, violent, virile, and not gay) to each other and fraternally bond, some become aroused by sadistically bringing sex and violence together, others seek to harm an entire race, community or nation by using sexual assault as a political weapon, still others seek revenge against someone other than the rape victim. And some misread cues.
Let’s take a look at these mistaken cue readers. Here’s where it gets tricky because a correlation between clothing and rape is not the same thing as sexy clothing causing assault.
Rapists who misread cues believe the following: men are naturally assertive and women are naturally passive. There are “good girls” and “bad girls.” Bad girls secretly want sex but can’t admit it, so they trick men into forcing sex. How do these “bad girls” send cues (in these men’s minds)? By doing things like smiling at them, or making eye contact, or by showing a little leg or cleavage. So these men may see a low-cut blouse as a “rape me” signal. But while they also see a smile or eye contact as a sexual come-on, women are only blamed for the dress. Have you ever heard anyone say, “Never look at a man,” or “Never smile at a man, he may rape you!”
Women, if you think dressing modestly will protect you, it won’t. Most rapists don’t care about “cues,” and just in case you run into those who do, you better not look at, or smile at, any man either. Just to be safe.
Should you really have to live that way? Or should men choose not to rape? As most do?
The number of assaults will not go down if women make sure to cover up. The cue-reading rapist has decided to attack someone, and is seeking justification. He will rape and he will find something to blame other than himself.
By placing women in charge of his sexuality he abdicates responsibility (it’s her fault). How convenient for him!
And while different rapists have different ways of thinking, they are all sexist. At the least, they believe they have more right to a woman’s body than a woman does, herself.
I do not own this article, this is from Esha Athena a women who are oppressed by islamic system and in name of freedom of speech i will share this
My mother and father are both active participants and activists in and for the Islamic community. Me – oh me? I am a godless secular humanist atheist. Unfortunately, I am still in the closet for the sake of my life.
I am so sick and tired of pretending to care about & follow Islam.
I am so sick of wearing that stupid hijab on my head. (I asked if I could substitute it for a shawl, only to be called a whore in return.)
I am so sick and tired of being asked to memorize the quran.
I am so sick and tired of NOT being able to express my thoughts.
I am so sick and tired of hearing their racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted and factually wrong stances.
I am so sick and tired of their learning and spreading of WRONG facts to promote Islam (Neil Armstrong became a Muslim after hearing the Adhaan from Space? LOL!)
I am so sick and tired of their mental, physical, emotional and psychological abuse towards me.
I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF THEIR FUNDAMENTALISM.
Too bad, I am still financially dependent on them… When I look at my other atheist and humanists friends, they are enjoying their lives to the fullest. They can partake in those atheist events and campaigns. Most of my ex-Muslim friends do not come from fanatical Muslim families like I do. They do not have to wear the hijab OR be forced to go to madrasahs to learn. So it is easier for them to hide their apostasy and express themselves. They can wear whatever they want, go wherever they want, say whatever they want, do whatever they want. Me?
“As long as you are living under our feet, you will do our bidding.” – My parents.
I am living in prison.
My mom beat me in public when she found out I wrote a love poem. She thought I had lost my virginity. Truth is: I have never dated anyone in my life. She warned me that she will not hesitate to skin me alive if I ever do lose my virginity before marriage. I believe that this is the very same mindset that contributes to the culture of honor killings. For these people, it is what the community says and thinks of them that matter, not the welfare of their children.
I have spoken in favor of LGBTQIA rights before, particularly transgender’s rights when they decided to spew transphobic sentiments on me. That was the last time I ever spoke about such things because they threatened to stop my education as it was imparting ‘disgusting and immoral’ values in me. They made many vile remarks about the LGBTQIA community that I do not wish to mention them.
Once, I questioned Islam and its philosophy too much my parents told me that I am to quit school because the ‘secular’ education is corrupting me. They threatened me and said that they would enroll me in a religious school so I could earn a degree in Islamic theology, then they would ship me back to my home country and marry me off to some weird religious fanatic dude and that he would take care of me. But I begged and cried. They eventually came around and ‘forgave’ me. I never questioned Islam in front of them ever since.
Everyday – EVERY FREAKING DAY – I am told how a girl should NOT be liberal; “Being conservative is the best. Old is gold.” Same old shit. I am not allowed out of the house except to go to school or to follow my parents somewhere. They would quote me the Qur’an to justify their bigotry. This is happening in a first world country! There is no escaping this. My aunt told me that the more a girl stays at home, the purer she is. My father told me that if a woman can’t do house work, doesn’t get married and has no kids, she is useless and that her existence is absolutely unnecessary. I didn’t know that the female gentalia is required to do housework.
My parents have openly declared that Islam’s misogyny is justified because women ARE second class citizens. The main reason? “Women are not as strong as or as smart as men.” Excuse me? I didn’t know that every country elects its leaders based on physical fitness test. I didn’t know a person’s worth and rights are determined by his/her physical strength. And what about women like Hillary Clinton, Fawzia Koofi, Malala Yousufzai, Ada Lovelace, Hedy Lamarr, Grace Hopper, Marie Curie, Hypatia of Alexandria, Frida Kahlo, Judith Butler, Chandra Mohanty and Bernadette Devlin? These women revolutionized the world too!
I asked my parents once if I can wear the shawl in place of a hijab or not wear it at all. They responded by saying that I have to choose between the wearing the hijab or dropping out from school. I am forced to pray five times a day and fast during Ramadan. Worst of all, I have to do Islamic worksheets and memorize the Qur’an. But I became an atheist BECAUSE I am a feminist. When I first read the English translation of the Qur’an, I couldn’t help but feel depressed on the way it is filled with misogyny, sexism, homophobia, racism and bigotry. There was absolutely no use of circumventing the translations of the various Qur’anic and Hadith texts as I understood the Arabic meaning itself. That is the first reason why I left Islam. It later dawned upon me that the science and philosophy Islam taught was also stupid.
Do you know what will happen if they find out about the real me, my aspirations, my ideas, my thoughts?
1) Stop my education
2) Marry me off!
I really, really yearn to just say I am an atheist loud and proud. That’s all. To just wear what I want to wear. To say what I am dying to say. That is out of the question of course – they would slut shame me whenever I wear make-up, or wear ‘tight clothing’, or talk to boys. “Which boy are you serving tonight?” they would ask. For goodness’ sake! I don’t live, eat, dress or exist for men! I want to look good and boost my confidence. I want to take control of my life without getting threats or insults from them. I wanted to date someone but stopped because of my family. I have wanted to do so many things but I am stopped by my family. Just because I am a GIRL, I must be protected, I must be conservative, I must be silent and unheard. I feel that human beings are the only species that raise their daughters deliberately weak and reliant on their male counterparts, whereas the other living beings raise their offspring, regardless of their biological sex, to be as resilient as possible to ensure that they are among the survival of the fittest.
Where was #MuslimahPride when Muslim women like Malala Yousufzai were silenced and oppressed? Why won’t they talk about these daunting realities? Years ago, I would have sided with #MuslimahPride but today, my mind is free and I am no longer suffering from Stockholm Syndrome like they are. I am more aware than them, more cognizant of realities than they are.
Yet, we have #MuslimahPride who claim to speak for women like me. In one of their open letters, they claimed that FEMEN is full of white supremacist liberal feminist. The last time I checked, I am a woman of colour. No, #MuslimahPride do not represent me and do not speak for me. The more I analyze their politics, the more illogical and contradictory their rhetoric seems. They make over-generalizations and sweeping statements. There are many women like me, Amina Tyler, Aliaa Magda Elmahdy, Maryam Namazie, Taslima Nasrin and Ayaan Ali Hirsi who have broken the shackles of Islam and are claiming back our liberty and human rights. Do not ever try to silence us because there are many more Muslim women who are trapped in the system and want to speak up but cannot. Matters like reading a book, surfing a website, or choosing not to wear a hijab can be a matter of life or death in many Muslim majority countries. People are detained, tortured and killed for simply trying to live 21st century lives. Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake for heresy. People TODAY continue to be put to death for blasphemy. #MuslimahPride, how do you have the heart to ignore these tragedies that are happening in front of our very eyes and claim to speak for women like us?
Nudity is not oppression. Nudity is an expression – expression of freedom! Nudity is a metaphor for emancipation from the social constructs and freedom from the imposed limits of thought and performance. This is beautifully encapsulated in a quote of Mona Eltahawy: “When a woman is the sum total of her headscarf and hymen – that is, what’s on her head and what is between her legs – then nakedness and sex become weapons of political resistance.” Human beings must be the only living things that are ashamed of their own bodies. One who finds nudity offensive has a poor grasp of art, history and culture.
#MuslimahPride is an insult to women like me who are oppressed by Islam itself. Their ‘activism’ is alarmingly similar to Jewish Nazi apologia or that of the Anti-suffragists women of the 1910s who would had a belief that women had the right to complete freedom within the home and would say, ‘its our choice not to vote.’ This is pure Stockholm Syndrome and sheer ignorance on their part.
Sure, you might have had the ‘freedom’ to choose to don the hijab, like I did, but I do not have the very same freedom to choose to take it off without being slut-shamed or threatened. Are my experiences unwarranted? Why the hypocrisy and double standards?
I swear once I am free, I will give all I can to stand up against these stupid ideologies. No matter what they put me through, I will not be destroyed. I am not your typical daughter who will conform to your bigoted traditions. No body has the rights to take my liberty from me. I am godless but I am not voiceless. I will rise! I will fight! Fuck this – I will start NOW!